Atheism vs. Christianity

AtheismThis isn’t a new video by any means, but it is something I’d like to address.

There’s a common misunderstanding among theists about atheism. The quote on the right is a good representation of what the average theist thinks atheism is. It’s only a wonder they don’t buy into it.

This of course is not at all what atheists believe. There’s nothing “magically” done according to scientists or any rational thinker. The same however, can not be said for theists. The irony about the quote is that they suggest that something happening “magically” is just stupid, but when God does it, it’s okay.

In the video they talk about the death count from Atheism. They suggest that only 2000 people in the history of mankind were killed in the name of religion and that “it happened a long time ago” (as if that makes a difference).

Now, I could go into the death talley and show how religion wins out on the death toll count many times over, but it’s more than that.

Religion is bad because the ideas are bad. They say, “Hey… don’t worry about messing this life up, there’s another one after this.” They teach that you should spend this life preparing for the next. If you honestly believe that, you have diminished this life. You are NOT living life to it’s fullest.

Religion is a bad idea because it claims to draw it’s morals from this God, This God who (according to their book) believes in all manner of atrocities. When a religious person does something good, it’s to gain favor with this God, not just because it’s a good thing, as Atheists do. They live their life repressed and in servitude. This is no way to live.

Religion is bad because it cheapens the true awesomeness of the world we live in by trying to explain it with man made myths. The biblical story of creation absolutely pales in comparison to the true story of how our universe started.

Does atheism have all the answers to life’s mysteries? No. But neither does religion, despite what it claims.

Check out the videos after the break.

Comments (238)


  1. Judy says:

    That's it…god did it? That's your sum total of knowledge, or what you want to know. Then, if god made us, who then made god, and who made that god, and on and on. There is no proof or evidence of any kind of magical god who does anything, especially if you pray, believe, or have faith. Life just goes on.

    Energy has always been in existence, and can change from matter to energy, and energy to matter. That's the best explanation than "god did it."

  2. judy says:

    You are assuming there is an afterlife and one is conscious after death. There is also proof of any existence of any kind after death.

  3. judy says:

    Name calling without some discussion and proof of your claims indicates you have an IQ of about 70…just barely able to flip a hamburger.

  4. judy says:

    What's rubbish is for the little, brainless, dumb xians to make all kinds of claims, like there is an afterlife and have ZERO proof of their claims. Now,that is rubbish.

  5. judy says:

    D'Souza was just convicted of mail fraud and election irregularities. Its likely he will go to jail. Oh well, another self righteous xians bites the dust…afterall xians make so many claims about how morally superior they are. Almost every day there is a preacher or a priest who lies, rapes little kids, steals…and the stupid xians continue to believe they are superior. NOT.

  6. judy says:

    Liar..Why do you Xians lie so much…its because you are forgiven in advance for lying and anything you did. Afterall your imaginary paranoid schizophrenic committed suicide by cop (Roman soldier) while wearing a diaper so you could lie and be forgiven. Everyone one on the picture is an Atheist.

    .Darwin was an Atheist: In 1880 the Austrian writer Ernst von Hesse-Wartegg visited Darwin at his home, Down House, in Kent. The coachman who drove Hesse-Wartegg from the train station at Orpington opined of the famous Mr. Darwin: “Ha es en enfidel, Sar- yes, an enfidel — an unbeliever! and the people say he never went to church!”. The passage quoted here was actually marked in Darwin’s copy of this German newspaper (the Frankfurter Zeitung und Handelsblatt) – See more at:

    Yes, Mark Twain was an Atheist:

    Lincoln was also an Atheist, and probably gay: Was Abraham Lincoln an atheist? – Yahoo
    Jun 08, 2007 · No, his closest friends and advisors have clearly expressed that he was an agnostic verging on atheist. He once even wrote a book which supposedly …

    Ben Franklin was certainly a functional Atheist and said many anti religion, anti belief quotes:

    EINSTEIN..was certainly an Atheist and said so in a letter written for publication:

    Thomas Jefferson was the biggest Atheist of them all and WROTE OUT and REMOVED all Christian, religious laws…there are no less than at least 300 Atheist Quotes by Jefferson:

    Carl Sagan:

  7. judy says:

    Just how do you know for a "fact" Lincoln was religious. Is this another one of those bull shit Christian idiots who has no proof but we are to believe their crap because they said so? Really…. Really? Get real, and grow up.

    Lincoln was never religious, he went to church with his wife, because she wanted him to. and Lincoln had to work with the silly Christians, so he pandered to them. Below is exactly what Lincoln said in his own words about religion. Why do you xians lie so much?

    Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)
    The 16th President of the United States (1861-1865)United States Flag
    Lincoln’s closest associate, William Herndon, while describing the sheer complexity of Lincoln’s religious views, stated that Lincoln was “at times, an atheist”; in describing Lincoln’s unshaking belief in the existence of a form of "providence" of some kind, Eric Hoffer, in his groundshaking book, The True Believer, listed Lincoln as an example of a "positive True Believer"
    Abraham LincolnMy earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.

  8. judy says:

    – Abraham Lincoln, to Judge J S Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln's death (Willie died in 1862), quoted by Joseph Lewis in "Lincoln the Freethinker," also appearing in Remsburg's "Six Historic Americans" (Authenticity questioned by some because it allegedly does not appear in Wakefield's papers [Andrew Lutes, persistent picker of insignificant separationist nits]; authenticity questioned by others who claim that Wakefield did not exist [forgotten web site which also featured all the regular and long-refuted arguments for Lincoln's Christian piety]. Go figure!)
    What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.
    – Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Mary Todd Lincoln in William Herndon's Religion of Lincoln, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beleifs of Our Presidents, p. 118
    It will not do to investigate the subject of religion too closely, as it is apt to lead to Infidelity.
    – Abraham Lincoln, Manford's Magazine, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 144
    The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.
    – Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis in "Lincoln the Freethinker"
    The only person who is a worse liar than a faith healer is his patient.
    – Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Victor J Stenger in Physics and Psychics
    Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes his aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not that we be not judged.
    – Abraham Lincoln, sarcasm in his Second Innaugural Address (1865)

  9. judy says:

    It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
    – Abraham Lincoln, chiding the editor of a Springfield, Illinois, newspaper, quoted from Antony Flew, How to Think Straight, p. 17
    Oh, that [his Thanksgiving Message] is some of Seward's nonsense, and it pleases the fools.
    – Abraham Lincoln, to Judge James M Nelson, in response to a question from Nelson: "I once asked him about his fervent Thanksgiving Message and twitted him with being an unbeliever in what was published." Quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 138
    The United States government must not undertake to run the Churches. When an individual, in the Church or out of it, becomes dangerous to the public interest he must be checked.
    – Abraham Lincoln, regarding the Churches, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 143
    If there is no military need for the building, leave it alone, neither putting anyone in or out of it, except on finding some one preaching or practicing treason, in which case lay hands on him, just as if he were doing the same thing in any other building.
    – Abraham Lincoln, order relating to a church in Memphis, Tennessee, issued on May 13, 1864, Nicolay and Hay, Works of Abraham Lincoln, chapter on "Lincoln and the Churches," quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 143. In the same chapter Nicolay and Hay state that in order to prevent treasonable preaching, Secretary Stanton appointed Bishop Ames, of the Methodist Church, to be supervisor of all the Churches in a certain southern district. President Lincoln at once countermanded the order.
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it [the Declaration of Independence] will read: "All men are

  10. judy says:

    created equal except negroes, foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
    – Abraham Lincoln, letter to Joshua F Speed, August 24, 1855, from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom
    Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure….
    If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, "I see no probability of the British invading us," but he will say to you, "Be silent; I see it, if you don't."
    – Abraham Lincoln, in an 1848 letter to his law partner, William Herndon, criticizing Polk's decision to invade Mexico for the purpose of preventing future war (and, in essence, pointing out some of the flaws in what is now called the "Bush Doctrine of Preventative War"), quoted from a letter published in the Post Crescent by Jack Bradford, quoted from a December 26, 2003, letter to Cliff Walker by Robert Nordlander
    There was the strangest combination of church influence against me. Baker is a Campbellite; and therefore, as I suppose with few exceptions, got all of that Church. My wife had some relations in the Presbyterian churches, and some in the Episcopal churches; and therefore, wherever it would tell, I was set down as either one or the other, while it was everywhere contended that no Christian ought to vote for me because I belonged to no Church, and was suspected of being a Deist and had talked of fighting a duel.

  11. judy says:

    Speed: Cautious Not to Offend Christians
    "He was very cautious never to give expression to any thought or sentiment that would grate harshly upon a Christian's ear."
    – Joshua Speed, explaining at least some of Lincoln's extremely careful choice of language that was later used by Christians in attempts to "prove" Lincoln's Christian piety, in Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln, quoted from A W Furches, personal letter to Cliff Walker (January 10, 2002)

    Britannica: Far Removed from the Dogmatist
    "The measure of his difference from most of the men who surrounded him is best gauged by his attitude toward the fundamentals of religion. For all his devotion to his cause he did not allow himself to believe that he knew the mind of God with regard to it. He was never so much the mystic as in his later days and never so far removed from the dogmatist. Here was the final flowering of that mood which appears to have lain at the back of his mind from the beginning — his complete conviction of a reality of a supernatural world joined with a belief that it was too deep for man to fathom. His refusal to accept the 'complicated' statement of doctrines which he rejected, carried with it a refusal to predicate the purpose of the Almighty. Again, that singular characteristic, his power to devote himself wholly to a cause and yet to do so in such a detached, unviolent way that one is tempted to call it passionless. He retained nothing of the tribal forms of religion and was silent when they raged about him with a thousand tongues."
    – Encyclopædia Britannica, 14th ed., quoted in Franklin Steiner, The Religious Views of Our Presidents, p. 139-40

  12. judy says:

    Vlad…read what Einstein wrote in a letter to a Newspaper in which he said he was an ATheist. A stupid, lying preacher (is there any other kind?)…was telling people that Einstein was religious. Einstein got tired of these lies and wrote a letter to be published so everyone in the US could read it that he was not religious nor did he believe in god. See below:

    In the letter, this is what Einstein said:

    The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

    What Einstein said about god: Albert Einstein, following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?" Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.
    The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

    – Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

    For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.

    – Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)
    Make everything as simple as possible but not simpler.
    – Albert Einstein (attributed: source unknown)

    [O]nly if every individual strives for truth can humanity attain a happier future; the atavisms in each of us that stand in the way of a friendlier destiny can only thus be rendered ineffective.
    – Albert Einstein, Foreword to Homer W Smith, Man and His Gods

    Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose. From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men — above all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends.
    – Albert Einstein, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief, p. 241
    I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.

  13. judy says:

    Prove there is a god, it is that simple. If you cannot and you keep insisting there is a god, then you are just another delusional, mentally ill liar for Jesus.

  14. judy says:

    Atheist Carl Sagan said: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    Just how religion brainwashes people and makes them immoral and evil, is that when you call them a liar, when you demand proof or shut up, the religious say nothing back. They are not even offended.

    Religion, belief, and faith, without a shred of proof turns people into psychopaths and paranoid schizophrenics in which the world revolves just around them. Theocracy is ending. Yippee

  15. judy says:

    And exactly HOW did god make himself obvious to them. How? The ONLY way a god can be obvious is if he does something…as cited in the bible…. Beside Jesus saying he was going to "come back that generation"…which he did not, and its been some 44 generations and Jesus is STILL not here yet. Jesus lied about a lot of things. Its funny that you xians are clueless as to what is in your bible. And if you paid attention and really read the bible, you would be disgusted and conclude you are an Atheist. Here is what JESUS LIED ABOUT:
    Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

    1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS). JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB) JESUS LIED–NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN

    Don't you xians get tired of being gullible fools.

  16. judy says:

    YES, THERE IS RAW EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION….in 25,000 studies, by 20,000 scientists, over 150 years…with the raw evidence of some 10 million fossils. AND WE ARE STILL EVOLVING, DUH.

    Your singular problem is that you are as gullible as a goat, who believes what your preacher tells you instead of doing your own research. I bet you did not even pass 6th grade earth science either.

    Human Evolution Evidence – Human Origins Program
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    Five Proofs of Evolution | Evolution FAQ

    Can we prove that evolution is false without using the Bible? Certainly we can! Evolution is a scientific theory that stands or falls on the physical evidence. In fact …
    What is the evidence for evolution? – Understanding Evolution…/topicbrowse…
    University of California, Berkeley

    Lines of evidence: The science of evolution. The theory of evolution is broadly accepted by scientists — and for good reason! Learn about the diverse and …
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    May 30, 2012 – When we think of human evolution, our minds wander back to the thousands of years it took natural selection to produce the modern-day man.

  17. judy says:

    Theists are like small children who think that their Barbie doll and plastic GI Joe action figure is real and talks to them. Christianity and religion teaches believers that invisible gods are real…and worse, says that if you don't believe in these imaginary sky fairies you will go to hell.

    Belief in imaginary friends is backed up by FEAR….xians have no balls, they are essentially COWARDS who are scaird of thinking for themselves and doing a little real research to see if the bible is factual or not.

  18. judy says:

    YOU are JUST ANOTHER LIAR FOR JESUS…. EVERYONE IN THAT POSTER WAS/IS AN ATHEIST: Liar..Why do you Xians lie so much…its because you are forgiven in advance for lying and anything you did. Afterall your imaginary paranoid schizophrenic committed suicide by cop (Roman soldier) while wearing a diaper so you could lie and be forgiven. Everyone one on the picture is an Atheist.

    .Darwin was an Atheist: In 1880 the Austrian writer Ernst von Hesse-Wartegg visited Darwin at his home, Down House, in Kent. The coachman who drove Hesse-Wartegg from the train station at Orpington opined of the famous Mr. Darwin: “Ha es en enfidel, Sar- yes, an enfidel — an unbeliever! and the people say he never went to church!”. The passage quoted here was actually marked in Darwin’s copy of this German newspaper (the Frankfurter Zeitung und Handelsblatt) – See more at:….

    Yes, Mark Twain was an Atheist:

    Lincoln was also an Atheist, and probably gay: Was Abraham Lincoln an atheist? – Yahoo….
    Jun 08, 2007 · No, his closest friends and advisors have clearly expressed that he was an agnostic verging on atheist. He once even wrote a book which supposedly …

    Ben Franklin was certainly a functional Atheist and said many anti religion, anti belief quotes:….

    EINSTEIN..was certainly an Atheist and said so in a letter written for publication:….

    Thomas Jefferson was the biggest Atheist of them all and WROTE OUT and REMOVED all Christian, religious laws…there are no less than at least 300 Atheist Quotes by Jefferson:

    Carl Sagan:….
    - See more at:

  19. weismonger2222 says:

    Yes, you are crazy and delusional. At the rate that people are STOPPING BELIEF IN GODS….anyone who says they are religious in 2050 will be labeled insane. If you cannot prove that gods exist…then know that you believe in BS.

  20. Tito says:

    Christians don't do good so that they may escape hell and go to a better place! That's not the basis of being saved. Heaven is just a bonus to as us christians. Infact God views our good deeds as semen! They are nothing but filthy rugs. Our doing good is due to Him that lives within us. We don't focus on the good things we are doing but we just focus on Him who enables us to do good things.

  21. Unknown Operator says:

    It is really stupidly irritating to find both extremes on these forum posts. Atheists who are depicted as wanting to rid the world of all Christians, and Christians arguing over petty subjects which don't make a difference to anything anyway. In-fact. I will PROUDLY SAY I'M CHRISTIAN, but still agree with many of the points on this post. Religion is dead, useless and causes much confusion with many people. My FAITH is NOT a religion. I don't live life with a set of rules that determine my every move. I live life with a living and breathing God whom I have a relationship with. My life is based on the Bible because the Bible IS JESUS (the Word made flesh = Jesus). I completely understand that Atheists have their opinion on Religion – infact, I seriously admire the faith is takes to NOT believe in anything, its something that us Christians can even learn from. So please, stop attacking us with scriptures that are completely out of context and petty subjects which don't make a difference to anything. And fellow Christians, please stop getting into ridiculous arguments which really mean nothing – and sort your blimin' attitude out!!!

  22. WisdomSeeker says:

    To the Godless reprobate that is already biased against God's word, you've got to prove everything to him or else he claims he won't believe. The truth of the matter is that wouldn't believe anyway even if you could prove it to him. When it comes to the argument of the opposed to God and followers of the bible and/or religious sects. both are lead mostly by fables, doctrines, and rote of men. This scripture says "All scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2nd Timothy 3:16 and 1 Thessalonians 5:21 States: "21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." Different sects against God ask questions to disqualify God's existence. Titus 3:9-11 "9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned." And the defense from a lot of so called pundit Christian's and or bible believers is STUPID and taught by rote of men. Jeremiah 10:14 "EVERY MAN is STUPID and without KNOWLEDGE." Isaiah 29:13 "Wherefore the Lord said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:" Matthew 15:7-9 "Teaching doctrines of men and worshiping the LORD in vain." Doesn't mean it's high times for the reprobates against God. His Word and judgments endure forever. Psalm 119:160 "The ENTIRETY of your word is TRUTH, and every one of your righteous judgement endures forever." Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." People consider God to exist, but he has no influence on them or the world directly or indirectly. Everything becomes relative by the measure of their feelings, likes and dislikes. God then becomes made in mans image. Living by relative truth stops human beings in their personal growth/pursuit of truth and neutralizes their moral growth. Moral truth, spiritual truth has to come from a great source than mankind. A personal freedom as choice cannot exist without consideration of what is really true. 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." To him who believeth, no explanation is necessary; to him that believeth not, no explanation is possible." by Elbert Hubbard

  23. Erica says:

    Firstly, I want to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and that I (try hard to) respect them. However, I just have a few things that I want to say after reading through this debate.
    First of all, I can't help but noticing whose side the cocky, faux act-of-superiority-like comments are coming from. And don't even deny it, we all know the answer.
    I'm so sick of atheists disrespecting Christians for their beliefs and adressing them as 'stupid and silly.' They often think Christians must be incredibly stupid to believe in God, Jesus and the holy spirit. God created the earth in six days and rested on the Sabbath day. He created everything on the earth, and created human beings. He loves all of us whether we sin or not, and his son Jesus died for our sins on the cross so we could have eternal life after death and not perish. Atheists think that's foolish to believe that. Well, your theory of an expanse of nothingness suddenly exploding to later form an earth with little particles growing into apes doesn't sound completely believable and flawless either. I know I have no evidence to back me up here, but I've heard around that some parts of the Old Testament of the Bible are metaphorical stories and passages. I don't exactly know if it's sinful to believe that in Christianity, but I just had to put it out there.
    Another thing too, although I know some don't, why do Atheists's celebrate Christmas? CHRISTmas. It's a celebration of Jesus' birth, a time for happiness and family and food and gifts. An Atheist's take on Christmas consists of all of those listed excepting Jesus' birth, which is the reason we celebrate the day in the first place. I want to hear it from an Atheist. Do you celebrate it just for your kids, or for the gifts? For the reunion of family? If so, you are disrespecting the reason and concept of Christmas, and using the holy day as an excuse. This goes for Good Friday and Easter Sunday as well, the remembrance of Jesus' birth and death.
    Being an Atheist is fine. If that's what you want, so be it. But God loves you, Christian or not, and he holds a place for you in Heaven if you return his love with your own, and your full strength faithfulness.
    I am a fourteen year old girl, so please don't call me foolish, because I'm only young. If it would really bring you joy to cyber bully me or accuse me of my words, go ahead. I attend a Christian school, and ever since I began going to this school in year seven, it has strengthened my faith in God, and I am proud to say that I am a Christian. I know little of Him, but I plan to devote my life to Him and learn about his righteousness.

  24. bornslacker says:

    Hello Erica,First, thank you for your comment. It takes courage for a 14 year old girl to jump into an online debate like this, kudos to you. It's also clear that you're trying to see the views from all sides, which a lot of people (on both sides) don't do.Let me next address your concerns about the tone you perceive from some of the Atheists. There are trolls on both sides of the argument. I've received loads of hostility from the religious side of the debate but I don't then assume that all Christians are like the ones being hostile to me, I hope you'll assume the same with non-believers.Regarding the difference between the scientific explanation of the earth/humanity and religion's explanation, there is a big difference. The big difference is that science doesn't ask you to believe them on faith. If you'd like, there are loads of papers, experiments, etc that prove specific phenomenon, all of which supports the scientific explanation. Taking the example of evolution, there are mountains of evidence across several scientific disciplines (from biology to geology) that all converge on the theory of evolution. Looking at it through the beliefs of a Christian, I think it makes more sense to accept the physical evidence of the creation of God than the text. If the text says the earth was created in 6 literal days, but the physical evidence shows it took millions of years, I would rather assume the text is metaphorical and not literal. I think that makes more sense than to think God is trying to fool people by making the earth look older than the bible says it is.Regarding Christmas, I'm one of those atheists that celebrates that time of year. Partly because of tradition and partly because it makes things easier since most of my family is still Christian. However, if you look at the origins of Christmas, you'll find that the majority of the holiday is derived from pagan traditions, not Christianity. Wreaths, Christmas trees, candles, gift giving, feast, songs, family time, etc… are all originally pagan traditions from the Winter Solstice celebration. Much of Easter and it's symbolism is pagan as well, from Spring Equinox. This is why you see green imagery, bunnies (symbolism for fertility since most animals mate during spring), the earth coming back to life from winter, etc. Please don't take my word though, feel free to google the origins and read for yourself. The reason Christianity adopted many of these traditions was to ease pagan transition to Christianity.I hope you continue to seek answers and take part in discussions, knowledge is not the enemy of faith. Thank you again for your response Erica.~ Rick (Webmaster)

  25. albert says:

    75 % of the popular figures represented in this picture are agnostic not atheist!! there is a considerable difference between the two!! if you cant trust a atheist to get his facts right maybe you should consider that his ignorance also guides all his thoughts!

  26. bornslacker says:

    You should read the article on the difference between theism/atheism/agnosticism. Like many others, you're assuming that “agnostic” is some middle ground in the realm of belief; that's a mistake.Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in god. It speaks nothing about what one KNOWS, which is the realm of a/gnosticism.

  27. Cindy says:

    Exactly Jessie I like to call myself a Deist, you are very right, at the very least Christianity gives you a sense of hope and truth , I considered myself a Christian for 25 + years and I convinced myself what the Bible says was truth and I do understand what many Atheists thinks about Christians and why many Deists mock at faiths because they might be ashamed by believing what they see now as not truth. its called their EGOIC MIND is offend.

  28. Syd Fraise says:

    "Ever since the world was created, people, bla bla bla"— People were not here when the world was created. Look to science. Cristian religion is based on stories created by mankind from its earliest times. What a ridiculous idea is that if you place your palms together and point your fingers to the sky someone is watching, and may grant your every wish. You call him god. Well, rather than grant your wish he does a lot of other things— He allows over six million of his creation to perish at the hands of their brothers. He is also very good at floods, forest fires, earthquakes and volcanic explosions. No space to list the many other ways he has created to do away with his creatures.

  29. Godonmyshoulder says:

    There is no raw, empirical evidence of gravity. Personally, I believe there is a kind of magnet placed inside the earth by god. Some things, like iron, the magnet strongly attractions, other things, like feathers, the magnet doesn't attract nearly as strong. Then god, in his infinite wisdom, gave the feathers to birds so they would be light and could fly. Us folks who believe that god put a magnet in the earth are called "magnetists". Magnetists and creationists have to stick together. If we don't, the scientists will make the Bible look silly.

  30. BobH says:

    Viruses and bacteria that cause diseases mutate, sometimes to become resistant to particular drugs. This is creatures evolving!. It can be seen happening over very short periods. If a type of creature can undergo small changes over small periods of time. Obviously other creatures can go through a series of changes over a long period of time.

  31. yolomakessensenow says:

    Ok, Craig, I've walked around helping people who cry, get up and be happy again. I haven't ever upset anyone much (minus my mum for keeping my room messy) and I don't randomly decide to murder someone. I've given up my time, helping others do their work or whatever better. I don't believe in God, and according to you, I will be in 'hell burning' just because I didn't believe in God. And even if this 'God', the all powerful and amazing god, exists, and if he is so good at knowing what's right and wrong, then he wouldn't let me go to this, hell, that you speak of.

  32. JOKER says:

    You said "there had to be a reason for which the universe was created"?…is the fact that all the chemical compounds that are necessary to support life are found throughout the universe, in the stars, not a logical reason? Why is that such a wild thing to believe? I respect both theories of creation and evolution, but I tend to lean towards evolution simply because it makes more logical sense to me. You also said "what if this "profecy (*prophecy*)" about the returning of jesus really happens?.. just what if.. Can you afford to have your soul lost?" It hasn't even been humanly proven that we have "souls"…souls are a religious belief…so asking if atheists "can afford to have lost their souls lost" is like asking if an atheist can live without their bible. Again, no disrespect to your beliefs, I'm just respectfully sharing my thoughts.

  33. Yoko Ono says:

    I'm on both sides.

  34. keithcaughorn says:

    The main flaw I see atheists make is attacking religion on basis of moral law. They pick a certain law or passage and say I don't agree with this or that so I reject it. With this line of reasoning it leaves them no outs when it comes to moral law / right v wrong. Agnostics maybe but atheists no.
    They reject the idea of a moral law giver so they have no authority on what is or isn't right.
    For example, ask an atheist if murder and rape of the innocent ( or not so innocent for the matter) and most will tell you its wrong. Yes, a few will say depends, but when pressed on details at some point an honest athiest will draw the line and admit some moral law they believe in. Thus, they are the moral law giver and they make the laws/rules. It may be ok to them to kill or murder depending on situation. Bad for the person getting rapped or killed but Good for them. I.E shouldn't have a problem with rapping to pass there genes on and killing for resources to allow them to survive. LIKE primates that kill and impregnate other opposing groups in the wild-which happens. If they disagree with this and state what theirmoral laws are – they have just created their OWN religion- being their own moral law giver. One can't get around this.
    An atheist can not know 100 percent there is no God they just take the plunge and believe ( some would say by faith ) there is no God or absolute moral law giver depending g on your preference. Possibility of being wrong eliminates 100 percent certainty.
    "The fool in his heart "… know the rest.

  35. MikeManea says:

    Hi, my name is Mike and I am currently working on a book called, 'How to Debate Atheists.' I have completed the first three chapters and would appreciate any feedback.

  36. bornslacker says:

    Couple of things…One, you're making the assumption that all atheists are making the claim, “There is no god”. This is inaccurate. Please look at the article on this site regarding the difference between a gnostic atheist and an agnostic atheist. Gnosticism refers to knowledge and theism refers to belief, two different things.Two, I hope the only reason you're moral is not because you were told to be by an ancient book. If so, please please keep believing in that book. One needs only adopt the axiom that, like me, others would not like to be raped, murdered, etc. Once you do that, it's easy to have a moral compass. No moral law giver is needed to have a moral society. All social groups had basic social mores like not to murder, steal, etc. All these things long pre-date the bible. Far from showing a flaw in atheist logic, you've highlighted a huge flaw in theistic logic. You might want to re-read the bible, the moral law in that book is far different from what we consider moral today.

  37. keithcaughorn says:

    With all do respect I believe you side stepped my point by redefining atheist. I believe you understand my definition from most dictionaries as being the lack of belief in God or gods. Agnostic is defined by not being sure one way or the other. You may redefine if you want but one can easily break down circular logic.
    But for arguments sake lets use the definition from dictionary.
    To the point of where I get my morals. Not only do I believe this but I also FEEL it. My morals are embedded in my personality. I can remember from a very early age knowing right from wrong before I ever heard of religion. I guess you could say I was a sensitive kid. We all inherently have that "angel" and "devil" inside.
    This is not to say we are not tempted one way or other or that we can't suppress or moral compass….just that it is there if we are honest with ourself. The BIble just reinforces which one I should be choosing and why, and consequences if I dont. IM free to choose either one, but being human/ a lot of times selfish, I often choose wrong.This is why I need a savior. I AM sinful by nature. I know what is right but often rebel against it. FOR example , I have often hurt others with my sin. Ive done things I wouldn't want done to me.
    I deserve punishment. I demand d justice so justice is demanded of me.
    You could phcoanalyze this I guess. But a ten year old could see the theme of guilt. What are you guilty of?
    And where does your guilt stem from? If you steam and YOU feel nobody gets hurt do you feel bad? And why?
    Thanks for your reply. I hope you dodo t take questions personally. I know you have a conscience- we all do. That's how we tell right from wrong ultimately. Tools such as Ten Commandments convict us so we will have no excuse in from of God. In other words, we will have no argument for not asking forgiveness.

  38. keithcaughorn says:

    Srry for errors my phone screen is cracked lol. I meant to say sin not steam towards end of post.
    I think you can figure out other spell errors. Thx

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